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Old 12-11-2013, 01:45 PM   #1
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I need a little bit of help..... My rings are not lining up. I'm wondering if it is because I was not able to stay on the line. but this is not a total waste as I can make it into a pencil tray for the shop. This is the first time using the table tilt on my scroll saw. I don't think it is too bad for a start and I'll tell you,, I like the table tilt. So I'm not able to cut another ring on this one because it will come out too narrow. So I'll leave it as it is and like I said, make it into a pencil tray. I set the tilt to a 30 degree angle. But I'm hoping the next bowl will turn out better. Any comments are welcome. Have a great day all... Fay
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Old 12-11-2013, 03:59 PM   #2
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The fact that the rings don't "line up" suggests the wrong angle.
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I would agree. I have never gone beyond 25 degrees. You can still salvage what you have . Get another piece of wood and change degrees. You will be AMAZED at what a lot of sanding will save.
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It's not a loss at all. I made it into a nice little pencil or Dremel tool tray. So not bad for a first try. I have to agree on the angle thing. Will have to give it another try soon. I'm happy with my little tray. I think now I'm going to make a drawing for a box for all my tatting shuttles and make a little wooden shuttle to put on top of it for a handle. Now to go make my drawings and then tomorrow I will cut that out, but will not use the table tilt until I make another try at the bowls. This is fun! Have a great day... Fay
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A combination of not perfectly flat floor, not perfectly flat bench, and cheap saw made my first bowl look quite similar, since my angles were off by about 4 degrees. Accurate wood thickness measurements, and a protractor (the one on my iPhone, but an analog one would work) made the second attempt a lot prettier!
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Fay, did you make your own pattern? From your photo, it looks as though your ring is quite wide. If your ring is wide, you need a larger angle than if the ring is narrower. I don't know if you've received the bowl book yet, but it shows you how both the thickness of the wood and the width of the ring determine the angle you need to use for the rings to line up.

When I first started making bowls, I figured that any angle would do, and ruined my first attempt. I think a lot of folks do as I did, and just jump in without understanding the relationships, and wonder why it didn't work. Your ring was cut at too small an angle, which is why it hangs over the remainder of the wood. You certainly can sand it and save the project, but before you try again, either follow the instructions in a project or compute your angle by going to scrollmania.com and going to the angle calculator. Round up the result to the next whole number, add an extra degree for safety and you'll be in good shape.

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Thanks Carole. Yes I did receive the book and was reading after I did this. I did save it and made it into a tray to put small tools in like my Dremel drill bits and sanders that I use the most. I'll keep at it and see how it works out. I did draw out my tray and I did make the rings a little too wide I think. I had trouble cutting the first one out so I used a scarp off of that to drill the entry hole with. This is just scrap wood and not large enough to make a larger bowl or tray. It was fun to play with and will work at it until I get it right. I'm one who like to jump in with both feet and I usually miss some thing, but then later get a better job done. Thanks again and will read and study more of the book. Have a great evening Fay
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Well I tried another bowl and it's a no go. Can't seem to get the angle right at all. I made the rims narrower and tried every thing to get it right and no luck so instead of cursing and such I put it aside for now. I can't figure out how to use that calculation on that scrollmania site at all so that goes to show what a big dummy I am. Not to mention I lost my best drill bit for drilling the entry holes. I think that could be a problem also. I can't get the bit to go all the way through because the bit is too short. I'm going to have a find a longer one. the piece od wood I used today was a little less than a half inch and made the rim narrower and no luck. Will have to keep at it until I get it right. Grrrr. I do like the table tilt on my saw. Well so much for Friday the 13th..... Have a great day Fay
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Fay, for your next attempt, please use a pattern, and start with the basic round bowl. That way, all the thinking will have been done for you about ring width and cutting angle. And you must use the correct thickness of wood for the instructions to work. If you go thinner, like from 3/4" to 1/2", the cutting angle changes drastically. That's why I have the thin wood bowls in a separate chapter.

Also, check out my video Drilling the Perfect Entry Hole - YouTube. My channel is "scrollergirl" and I have all lots of videos about bowl-making you'll find useful. The tiny drill bits only come in shorter lengths. You start by using the guide, then once the drilling angle is set, you remove the guide and continue drilling through. It really does work, and the smaller the bit you can use, the less sanding you'll have to do.

Don't make things harder for yourself than necessary. Force yourself to start at the beginning, and you'll have a much easier time.
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Thanks Carole.. I asked for some wood for Christmas and will give this a try. I did not have a piece of wood large enough for the round bowl nor a good working scanner to enlarge the pattern. It says to copy at 100% and I can't do that with out a scanner so will go to the UPS store next time I go home and make a couple of copies. I'm sure I'll get it down pat. Have a great day . Lots of time to get it.... Fay
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