puzzle question (are you out there Carter J) - Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts Message Board

Wood Dog · 10-12-2007, 12:23 AM

Hello Scrollers,
I am getting ready to scroll a puzzle per instructions by Carter
http://wmyoung.proboards107.com/inde...ead=1173906092
He said he uses Tripple Thick Clear Glaze, but I don't read when to put it on.
Before you cut, or after???????? If it is after the pieces are cut won't it run down the sides and stick some pieces together??????? How can you tell I've never done this before.

WD

lucky788scroller · 10-12-2007, 01:52 AM

Im not Carter, not nowhere near his skill level either, but the glaze is put on prior to cutting. Carter is demoing at a The Woodworking Shows in the Chicago area, so he probably is getting himself some rest or getting ready.The show starts tomorrow. Dale

Wood Dog · 10-12-2007, 02:05 AM

I knew another smart helpful person would come to my aid if Carter was not available.
Thanks lucky788scroller. I didn't think it went on after cutting, but wanted to be sure. Wish I was near the Chicago area for the Show.
Thanks again
WD

lucky788scroller · 10-12-2007, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wood Dog

I knew another smart helpful person would come to my aid if Carter was not available.
WD

Ummm, nobody ever called me THAT!,you sure you got the right person???? Im just glad I could help. Dale

Wood Dog · 10-12-2007, 03:10 AM

Yes I've got the right person lucky788scroller....your always helping somebody. I notice things like that.
Thanks
WD

GrayBeard Phil · 10-12-2007, 02:27 PM

Wood Dog:

Please go to an Office Supply house and get a can of compressed air sold for cleaning computers.

Tripple thick glaze I have found to be a 'soft' top coat. Saw dust can scratch the surface if you should brush or flick the saw dust away after cutting (or during.) Remove saw dust by using the can of compressed air.

Phil

Wood Dog · 10-12-2007, 02:34 PM

Thanks GrayBeard Phil, I do have a small compressor I can use at low pressure. I am wondering if TTG is a soft top coat why would anyone use it for puzzles? The pieces are sure to get bounced around. Have you used another product, or a product in conjunction with TTG?
Thanks for the info.
WD

GrayBeard Phil · 10-12-2007, 04:17 PM

Wood Dog:

The only 'hard' finishes I know of are Deft (nitrocellulose lacquer) and two part lacquers (conversion finishes, which are not usually for home use.) Both of these products will attack the inks on the graphic used for the puzzle. It is the solvent that does the damage. Almost all varnishes also have solvents that attack the inks and paper of the puzzle graphics.

TTG will stand up to normal use as a finish for your puzzles.

Most Big Orange Retail Giants (BORGs, 'we will assimilate you') and the Green Monster clone carry spray cans of water based Lacquers. I have tried several brands WB lacquers, and find Carter's recommendation of TTG is the most tolerant of errors in application of finish. Runs, and curtain sags are all too common (due to my applying a too thick coat) with WB lacquers. Standard Glaze has a similar problem of runs and sags and is thus more difficult to apply. TTG is simpler to use.

Therefore, TTG is a good product for normal usage, cost effective, tolerant of common errors of application of product. In my area, Wal-Mart has the cheapest price on TTG; a very good price.

However, I had good luck with Rust-Oleum's brand American Accents Clear Top Coat from my local BORG at more cost than TTG. Took about 6 days after the 3rd application for the finish to cure enough to cut on the scroll saw without accumulating gunk on the blade. Never had a gunk problem with TTG if waited about 24 hours for product to cure.

Aside: The bottom of the puzzle, which is wood, can be just about any finish you choose.

Phil

Kevin12 · 10-13-2007, 12:38 AM

Deft is nitrocellulose? I didn't think it was. My understanding was that Deft was water based and therefore truly non-yellowing. Also that nitrocellulose will, by nature, yellow. I might have to correct my notes.

GrayBeard Phil · 10-13-2007, 01:02 AM

Kevin:

What is important is to read the label. If the can of Deft states to thin with Lacquer thinner, then it is Nitro-Cell.

If the can states to thin and clean up with water, then it is water based. Deft could be selling a WB version for VOC air quality and toxic waste problems from (with) Lacquer Thinner.

The traditional Deft product was a clear Nito-Cell product that would age over many decades as the wood it covered was exposed to UV. But GOOD GOSH did it stink up the whole house. And I mean drive man and beast out into to the cold winter nite with it's smell. And without a good organic breath mask, a whooping headache on top of the the dog and family shouting at you.

Phil

10-12-2007, 12:23 AM	#1
Wood Dog Senior member--Absolutely Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MA USA Posts: 3,934	puzzle question (are you out there Carter J) Hello Scrollers, I am getting ready to scroll a puzzle per instructions by Carter http://wmyoung.proboards107.com/inde...ead=1173906092 He said he uses Tripple Thick Clear Glaze, but I don't read when to put it on. Before you cut, or after???????? If it is after the pieces are cut won't it run down the sides and stick some pieces together??????? How can you tell I've never done this before. WD

10-13-2007, 12:38 AM	#9
Kevin12 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Indianapolis (Fishers) Posts: 532	Deft is nitrocellulose? I didn't think it was. My understanding was that Deft was water based and therefore truly non-yellowing. Also that nitrocellulose will, by nature, yellow. I might have to correct my notes. __________________ Kevin Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -- Dr. Seuss NEW DeWalt 788 and that old, Jimmy- Jerry- and Kevin-rigged Delta 40-560

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10-12-2007, 01:52 AM	#2
lucky788scroller Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: wisconsin Posts: 6,354	Im not Carter, not nowhere near his skill level either, but the glaze is put on prior to cutting. Carter is demoing at a The Woodworking Shows in the Chicago area, so he probably is getting himself some rest or getting ready.The show starts tomorrow. Dale

10-12-2007, 02:05 AM	#3
Wood Dog Senior member--Absolutely Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MA USA Posts: 3,934	I knew another smart helpful person would come to my aid if Carter was not available. Thanks lucky788scroller. I didn't think it went on after cutting, but wanted to be sure. Wish I was near the Chicago area for the Show. Thanks again WD

10-12-2007, 03:10 AM	#5
Wood Dog Senior member--Absolutely Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MA USA Posts: 3,934	Yes I've got the right person lucky788scroller....your always helping somebody. I notice things like that. Thanks WD

10-12-2007, 02:27 PM	#6
GrayBeard Phil Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Near Detroit, Michigan Posts: 1,143	Wood Dog: Please go to an Office Supply house and get a can of compressed air sold for cleaning computers. Tripple thick glaze I have found to be a 'soft' top coat. Saw dust can scratch the surface if you should brush or flick the saw dust away after cutting (or during.) Remove saw dust by using the can of compressed air. Phil

10-12-2007, 02:34 PM	#7
Wood Dog Senior member--Absolutely Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MA USA Posts: 3,934	Thanks GrayBeard Phil, I do have a small compressor I can use at low pressure. I am wondering if TTG is a soft top coat why would anyone use it for puzzles? The pieces are sure to get bounced around. Have you used another product, or a product in conjunction with TTG? Thanks for the info. WD

10-12-2007, 04:17 PM	#8
GrayBeard Phil Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Near Detroit, Michigan Posts: 1,143	Wood Dog: The only 'hard' finishes I know of are Deft (nitrocellulose lacquer) and two part lacquers (conversion finishes, which are not usually for home use.) Both of these products will attack the inks on the graphic used for the puzzle. It is the solvent that does the damage. Almost all varnishes also have solvents that attack the inks and paper of the puzzle graphics. TTG will stand up to normal use as a finish for your puzzles. Most Big Orange Retail Giants (BORGs, 'we will assimilate you') and the Green Monster clone carry spray cans of water based Lacquers. I have tried several brands WB lacquers, and find Carter's recommendation of TTG is the most tolerant of errors in application of finish. Runs, and curtain sags are all too common (due to my applying a too thick coat) with WB lacquers. Standard Glaze has a similar problem of runs and sags and is thus more difficult to apply. TTG is simpler to use. Therefore, TTG is a good product for normal usage, cost effective, tolerant of common errors of application of product. In my area, Wal-Mart has the cheapest price on TTG; a very good price. However, I had good luck with Rust-Oleum's brand American Accents Clear Top Coat from my local BORG at more cost than TTG. Took about 6 days after the 3rd application for the finish to cure enough to cut on the scroll saw without accumulating gunk on the blade. Never had a gunk problem with TTG if waited about 24 hours for product to cure. Aside: The bottom of the puzzle, which is wood, can be just about any finish you choose. Phil

10-13-2007, 01:02 AM	#10
GrayBeard Phil Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Near Detroit, Michigan Posts: 1,143	Kevin: What is important is to read the label. If the can of Deft states to thin with Lacquer thinner, then it is Nitro-Cell. If the can states to thin and clean up with water, then it is water based. Deft could be selling a WB version for VOC air quality and toxic waste problems from (with) Lacquer Thinner. The traditional Deft product was a clear Nito-Cell product that would age over many decades as the wood it covered was exposed to UV. But GOOD GOSH did it stink up the whole house. And I mean drive man and beast out into to the cold winter nite with it's smell. And without a good organic breath mask, a whooping headache on top of the the dog and family shouting at you. Phil