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Old 09-26-2006, 03:15 AM   #1
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new to scrolling and was wondering to cut a striegt line i had to hold the wood at a 45 degree angle has anyone ever had this prob?
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Old 09-26-2006, 03:26 AM   #2
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Hi,

It will depend on the brand and type of blade you use, the tension on the blade, the wood and it's thickness and how you "push" on the piece.

Yes, an angle can be normal, but I fell 45 degrees is a little bit much.

I"ll let others add to this that have more experience with this than I do,
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Old 09-26-2006, 03:34 AM   #3
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Like Marcel, I think we need a few more details. I'd particularly like to know what blade you are using and how you are judging the appropriate tension. I'd also like to know how long you use your blades before changing them.

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PS Please confirm that the 45 degree angle relates to right hand bias. If it's left hand bias...
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Old 09-26-2006, 03:44 AM   #4
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not really sure about the blade tention just playing with it really and the blades are from sears there 20 tooth per inch revers blade i know there junk but just got the saw and have to order blades.
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Sears junk blades?

Yep, 45 degrees is a possibility

As for tension, it is said a "C" note (not a 100$ bill) is the right tension.

Have a look at Rick H's web site, it will help. http://www.scrollsaws.com

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Old 09-26-2006, 02:53 PM   #6
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i know there junk but just got the saw and have to order blades.
A good blade does wonders for both cutting and bias. In my humble opinion and experience, I get mine from Mike Moorlach (Flying Dutchman). His prices are good and I find the blades excellent quality and durability. www.mikesworkshop.com

I'm sure others have their favorite blades - just adding my 2% of a dollar.
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Old 09-26-2006, 04:24 PM   #7
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Here's an audible "ping" test for saw blade tension:

http://www.intarsia.com/ScrollSawTension.html

I'll second Marcel's referral to Rick H's page, probably the best how to's for scrolling in summarized form. Videos, too. This site is terrific for more specific questions using the Search function.

Best of luck,

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Old 09-26-2006, 06:39 PM   #8
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(I copied this from a previous post I made)

In regards to the blades, you need to try different brands and see which one you like best.

The most popular brands, in no order, are Pégas, Olson and Flying Dutchmen

And you will find different models inside each brand. Which makes it a little intimidating even for some that have been scrolling for a little while. Some blades are targeted at specific tasks (puzzles, metal, Corian) others have different teeth configurations ( skip tooth, reverse teeth, crown teeth). You can easily find blade charts on the web (Olson has a nice one) describing the different blades and suggested usage.

Some of the Rules are:
  • You should always have 3 teeth touching your material when cutting (at least, that's what I heard )
  • The more teeth on the blade, the smoother the cut
  • The more teeth on the blade, the more heat gets generated
  • The more teeth on the blade, the harder it is for the sawdust to get expelled.
  • Reverse teeth help prevent "fuzzies" on the bottom
  • Reverse teeth are more aggressive
  • The smaller the blade, the finer the cut
  • The smaller the blade, the tighter the radius you can turn
  • The smaller the blade, the harder it is to see against your black pattern lines
  • The smaller the blade, the easier it is to insert upside down
  • The smaller the blade, the easier it is for it to want to follow the grain on some woods
  • Keeping the blade tensioned tight helps cut straighter, too tight and it breaks
  • And let us not forget that the density (type) of wood used will call for different blade types also
I guess we could make an equation of it:
Type of wood + Thickness of wood + type of blade + size of blade + speed of blade(saw) = Nicest cut

So my point is that there is good and bad to every type of blades and you have to adapt yourself to them, as well as make the best compromising choice.

Lots of good advice has been given to you by others here, and we are here if you have further questions.

Good luck with your new hobby, kiss any family lovingly, cause once that saw comes in and you get bit, they'll be wanting for your presence. It's addictive, be warned.

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Old 09-26-2006, 07:53 PM   #9
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I think what you are experiencing is the dreaded scroll saw blade drift. Most SS blades are manufactured by punching them out of a sheet of material. This process causes the teeth to be slightly more aggressive on one side of the blade than the other, thus the blade wants to drift, generally to the right of the line.

It's something that almost all common blades do. You can buy blades that say they are machined or precision ground that claim to minimize or eliminate this problem. In my limited experience with them, they do track straighter, but they are a bit more expensive. Most folks just compensate for it and once you get used to it, it's no big deal. What I do is set my chair off to the right of the saw a bit, then I have the illusion of feeding the wood straight into the blade, when I'm really compensating for the drift.
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Old 09-26-2006, 10:18 PM   #10
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I know for me, I have learned to always, feed the wood into a blade , for a straight cut at a angale. trying to cut straight with the saw. dosen't work for me. as too the exsackt 45 degree. well you have to know your saw, the tention, and the levaleness of your blade. also, the flatness of the wood you are cutting. if you don't like the burr on the right side of the blade. you can sand it off. just by holding a sanding block agenst it while running your saw, to remove it.(just for a couple seconds.) BUT, I love that little burr, it keeps my blade in the wood. you can also use it to shave off little nicks and booboos. i most always, cut , with the burr against the line. it realy helps me when coming out of a corner. i have used all kinds of blades. and they all work ok when you get used to what they are doing.I know i have more problems, when i am to tens. and my tention isn't right. or mostly when my wood is warped some. some time too. my clamps are warn some. that meens the blade is rubbing on the side of the clamp. and when you wont to turn . say like a corner. the blade wonts to drift, when you turn, the blade keeps going to the right. thats normaly tention, or wood warp. or hard wood grain. or a too small blade in the wood you are trying to cut. just keep practicing. and yourll get it. Evie
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