5 yr old Hawk- is it worth it? - Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts Message Board

Janette · 09-18-2007, 10:39 PM

Hi all,

I was at a show last weekend and someone asked me if I might be interested in, or knew of anyone interested in a 16" Hawk. They said it was about 5 years old but hardly ever used. They paid $900 or so for it new and were asking $500 for it. I haven't had experience with a Hawk...yet and would try it out before I bought it- my DeWalt is 20" so I'm wondering if 16" would be too small.

Anyone with an idea of the value of this and if it's a good deal?
Thanks in advance.

Tor · 09-19-2007, 09:00 AM

I can't say about the saw, since I have never used that make, but I was always pushing the throat of my old 16" craftsman. I have no regrets about getting the biggest Diamond made.

Tor

Mick Walker · 09-19-2007, 02:57 PM

Janette, if you are used to a 20" saw I don't believe you would be happy with a 16". But then if you only cut small stuff the Hawk is probably worth the $500.

Janette · 09-19-2007, 03:23 PM

Thanks for the advice. You're probably right. Some days I wish my 20" were larger.

My DeWalt is still going strong but after the abuse I give it on a daily basis- one of these days it may just decide to retire on it's own (that'll be the day they're out of stock and I have a huge pile of pieces waiting to be cut!!).

I really should start looking into some models ahead of time so when that does happen, I'm prepared.

workin for wood · 09-19-2007, 07:11 PM

Seems a bit steep for a 16" hawk. I've seen them on ebay sell in the 3-400 range. Great saw, reliable, great service center. I think it's a cut above a dewalt, but the only dewalt experience I have is in a showroom. Like you said too...it is going to be too small to cut backer boards for your larger intarsia projects. I think what really makes the hawk great for me is for cutting thick pieces for intarsia's. The saw has a large stroke and bonus torque power for pulling the blade through the thickest and toughest of woods. You supposedly can stand on the arm and it will keep going up and down, but you won't find me trying that.

Janette · 09-19-2007, 07:14 PM

Interesting Jeff..thanks for the input. I'll definitely keep a Hawk in mind when I do need to get another saw.

The DeWalt's been a workhorse for sure- especially with some of the abuse I've put it through.

lucky788scroller · 09-20-2007, 04:03 AM

I know of a brand new RBI 20 inch saw for sale , Im unsure of the price, but I think is $600. He won the saw at a show only a couple weeks after ordering himself a G6 . I can try to get more info for someone if they are seriously looking for one. Dale

Trout · 09-20-2007, 05:19 AM

the G-6 a new saw by Hawk?
I went over to the RBI website to check it out but only saw the 220 and the G-4 listed....

Trout

GrayBeard Phil · 09-20-2007, 06:24 PM

Janette:

I think the $500.00 is too high for a used 16" hawk.

Ebay has a Hawk 216-3, or other Hawk scroll saws, quite often up for bids. Each week at least one Hawk of one size or another is up for bids, which drives the bidding down across the board for all hawks.

The final sale price, IMHO, is the true judge of a resale price range. Be aware, you need to track similar items over many sales (weeks) to get a good feel for the price range for something like a Hawk. A single Ebay sale (final price) could give a wrong impression; many reasons for why.

Many times the last 3 or 4 minutes of the auction sets the real price, so only judge the sale price, and never look at the 'Buy it Now' prices.

Aside: This is written during late September 2007 and currently at Ebay there is a photo of the new Black & Decker 16 inch scroll saw up for bidding. This is the new B&D that looks so much like the Delta 16 inch SS250. B&D now owns Delta machinery. Do a search on Ebay for Black & Decker BT4000

Phil

lucky788scroller · 09-20-2007, 10:47 PM

Whoops rout! Sorry. I can explain my error though, as my daughter just bought a pontiac G-6 and just before I replied on here she was talking to me about her G-6. The saw I was refering to is a G4. Sorry!!!(its hell gettin old, I cant do two things at once anymore! How do you folks over 40 cope????????)Dale

09-18-2007, 10:39 PM	#1
Janette Intarsia Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Blog Entries: 4	5 yr old Hawk- is it worth it? Hi all, I was at a show last weekend and someone asked me if I might be interested in, or knew of anyone interested in a 16" Hawk. They said it was about 5 years old but hardly ever used. They paid $900 or so for it new and were asking $500 for it. I haven't had experience with a Hawk...yet and would try it out before I bought it- my DeWalt is 20" so I'm wondering if 16" would be too small. Anyone with an idea of the value of this and if it's a good deal? Thanks in advance. __________________ Janette www.square-designs.com

09-19-2007, 09:00 AM	#2
Tor Mad Marqueteur Join Date: May 2007 Location: The "Green Side" in Hawaii Posts: 1,528	I can't say about the saw, since I have never used that make, but I was always pushing the throat of my old 16" craftsman. I have no regrets about getting the biggest Diamond made. Tor __________________ I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. - Thomas Jefferson Garden Island Marqueteur http://www.fineartmarquetry.com

09-19-2007, 02:57 PM	#3
Mick Walker Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Janesville, WI Posts: 1,338	Janette, if you are used to a 20" saw I don't believe you would be happy with a 16". But then if you only cut small stuff the Hawk is probably worth the $500. __________________ Mick, - Delta P-20 The future ain't what it used to be.

09-19-2007, 03:23 PM	#4
Janette Intarsia Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Blog Entries: 4	Thanks for the advice. You're probably right. Some days I wish my 20" were larger. My DeWalt is still going strong but after the abuse I give it on a daily basis- one of these days it may just decide to retire on it's own (that'll be the day they're out of stock and I have a huge pile of pieces waiting to be cut!!). I really should start looking into some models ahead of time so when that does happen, I'm prepared. __________________ Janette www.square-designs.com

09-19-2007, 07:11 PM	#5
workin for wood Master Scroller Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Eaton Rapids Michigan Posts: 2,474	Seems a bit steep for a 16" hawk. I've seen them on ebay sell in the 3-400 range. Great saw, reliable, great service center. I think it's a cut above a dewalt, but the only dewalt experience I have is in a showroom. Like you said too...it is going to be too small to cut backer boards for your larger intarsia projects. I think what really makes the hawk great for me is for cutting thick pieces for intarsia's. The saw has a large stroke and bonus torque power for pulling the blade through the thickest and toughest of woods. You supposedly can stand on the arm and it will keep going up and down, but you won't find me trying that. __________________ Jeff Powell

09-19-2007, 07:14 PM	#6
Janette Intarsia Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Blog Entries: 4	Interesting Jeff..thanks for the input. I'll definitely keep a Hawk in mind when I do need to get another saw. The DeWalt's been a workhorse for sure- especially with some of the abuse I've put it through. __________________ Janette www.square-designs.com

09-20-2007, 04:03 AM	#7
lucky788scroller Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: wisconsin Posts: 6,260	I know of a brand new RBI 20 inch saw for sale , Im unsure of the price, but I think is $600. He won the saw at a show only a couple weeks after ordering himself a G6 . I can try to get more info for someone if they are seriously looking for one. Dale

09-20-2007, 05:19 AM	#8
Trout MrsTrout's Husband Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hayward Calif. Posts: 1,711	Hey Dale the G-6 a new saw by Hawk? I went over to the RBI website to check it out but only saw the 220 and the G-4 listed.... Trout

09-20-2007, 06:24 PM	#9
GrayBeard Phil Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Near Detroit, Michigan Posts: 1,156	Janette: I think the $500.00 is too high for a used 16" hawk. Ebay has a Hawk 216-3, or other Hawk scroll saws, quite often up for bids. Each week at least one Hawk of one size or another is up for bids, which drives the bidding down across the board for all hawks. The final sale price, IMHO, is the true judge of a resale price range. Be aware, you need to track similar items over many sales (weeks) to get a good feel for the price range for something like a Hawk. A single Ebay sale (final price) could give a wrong impression; many reasons for why. Many times the last 3 or 4 minutes of the auction sets the real price, so only judge the sale price, and never look at the 'Buy it Now' prices. Aside: This is written during late September 2007 and currently at Ebay there is a photo of the new Black & Decker 16 inch scroll saw up for bidding. This is the new B&D that looks so much like the Delta 16 inch SS250. B&D now owns Delta machinery. Do a search on Ebay for Black & Decker BT4000 Phil

09-20-2007, 10:47 PM	#10
lucky788scroller Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: wisconsin Posts: 6,260	Whoops rout! Sorry. I can explain my error though, as my daughter just bought a pontiac G-6 and just before I replied on here she was talking to me about her G-6. The saw I was refering to is a G4. Sorry!!!(its hell gettin old, I cant do two things at once anymore! How do you folks over 40 cope????????)Dale

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