Laser scroll saws - Page 3 - Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts Message Board

Terry Jay · 08-05-2009, 12:55 AM

Phil:

Sorry, didn't mean to offend or hit any buttons. And no offense taken.

If it is a craft show with no rules, it would be hard to break them. If a show for 'hand made' then any duplicator generated stuff wouldn't qualify. But then, will the sponsor/promoter enforce their rules?

Anyway, I didn't buy a saw to become a copy machine operator. There will always be a market for originals.

Cheers,

Terry

Pop · 08-05-2009, 02:44 AM

A very good and informative breakdown of the thread Phil. The real difference between hand crafted and automated re-creation is the fact that automated items turn out ALL the same...no personal touch to make each one just a little bit unique from the rest. I'm all for hand crafted...always was and always will be. Automation has it's place in mass produced duplication but not at a Craft Fair/competition advertising hand made crafts. To add a little levity to break up the thread. A "laser" scrollsaw would really have 2 good points. #1- NO Broken blades to scare the daylights out of you and #2...If you cut a finger...it would automatically be cauterized and no blood would ruin the work. LOL

KtownScroller · 08-05-2009, 10:42 AM

The last craft show I was at featured a few stands with laser cut items. These items looked really good, but no one was buying them. People don't go to a craft show to purchase that "Made in China" look. I wouldn't worry about the competition cheating. Nobody wants to buy a cookie cutter craft. People are looking for items with character.

In regard to the laser. I wouldn't mind having one to play around with. It sure would make some precision gears for my clock!

I like to be crafty and then again, I'm all about technology too. I think there is a place for both.

Pajaro · 08-05-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pop

. A "laser" scrollsaw would really have 2 good points. #1- NO Broken blades to scare the daylights out of you and #2...If you cut a finger...it would automatically be cauterized and no blood would ruin the work. LOL

What borken blades? I never break blades.

Pop · 08-05-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pajaro

What borken blades? I never break blades.

It sure is great that blades are so inexpensive. I just went through 8 cutting my latest project. I'm starting to realize I don't need so many different ones too. I can almost get by with just 5 different blades.

D Rogerson · 08-05-2009, 07:46 PM

The progression from a hand fret saw to powered scroll saw seems a natural evolution compared to going from a bladed saw to a lazer guided by computer. It is similar to the carving siatuation the last sixty years. Most of what is now advertized as 'hand carved' is not. It is router reproduced from the Holy land, Germany, Bali, and elsewhere. Because most folks want a low price for what they consider a craft item, reproduction items are increasingly markatable and actual handcrafted ones considered too pricy. A shame.

3_M · 08-05-2009, 08:29 PM

There is NO laser scrollsaw. That is just a made up name. I am with Bob on that. It does not use blades but cuts with heat and leaves burn marks on wood.Mike

JimSawyer · 08-05-2009, 11:09 PM

It's like the Matrix. The machines are actually taking over. I know I've heard somewhere that they are working on computers that do the digital version of creating, from music to graphics, and even rational thinking. Fortunatly, man is still the more sophisticated machine...<grin>.

wood-n-things · 08-06-2009, 01:01 AM

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Fortunatly, man is still the more sophisticated machine...<grin>.

And you misspelled fortunately....ROFL...Just kiddin...No fair hitting....

wood-n-things · 08-06-2009, 01:03 AM

As with almost everything to do with machines...G-I=G-O...

Garbage in=Garbage OUT

08-05-2009, 02:44 AM	#22
Pop Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Felton, Pa. Posts: 505	A very good and informative breakdown of the thread Phil. The real difference between hand crafted and automated re-creation is the fact that automated items turn out ALL the same...no personal touch to make each one just a little bit unique from the rest. I'm all for hand crafted...always was and always will be. Automation has it's place in mass produced duplication but not at a Craft Fair/competition advertising hand made crafts. To add a little levity to break up the thread. A "laser" scrollsaw would really have 2 good points. #1- NO Broken blades to scare the daylights out of you and #2...If you cut a finger...it would automatically be cauterized and no blood would ruin the work. LOL __________________ PoP Delta 16" 40-530 What happens if you're scared half to death - twice?

08-05-2009, 10:42 AM	#23
KtownScroller So much better :) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: PA Posts: 2,665	The last craft show I was at featured a few stands with laser cut items. These items looked really good, but no one was buying them. People don't go to a craft show to purchase that "Made in China" look. I wouldn't worry about the competition cheating. Nobody wants to buy a cookie cutter craft. People are looking for items with character. In regard to the laser. I wouldn't mind having one to play around with. It sure would make some precision gears for my clock! I like to be crafty and then again, I'm all about technology too. I think there is a place for both. __________________ - Rick

08-05-2009, 08:29 PM	#27
3_M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brandon, SD Posts: 630	There is NO laser scrollsaw. That is just a made up name. I am with Bob on that. It does not use blades but cuts with heat and leaves burn marks on wood.Mike __________________ Home of the FD Blades

08-05-2009, 11:09 PM	#28
JimSawyer Laying into Inlay Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lincoln, RI Posts: 1,075	It's like the Matrix. The machines are actually taking over. I know I've heard somewhere that they are working on computers that do the digital version of creating, from music to graphics, and even rational thinking. Fortunatly, man is still the more sophisticated machine...<grin>. __________________ Jim The limits of the imagination are imaginary. No task is too tedious for Art. Rock and Scroll My Website Featherwood Woodcrafts

08-06-2009, 01:03 AM	#30
wood-n-things Behave Yourself..I can't. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Right here ---silly Posts: 4,478 Blog Entries: 1	As with almost everything to do with machines...G-I=G-O... Garbage in=Garbage OUT __________________ The Mike One of them anyway. Don't be so open-minded. Your brains will fall out!

08-05-2009, 12:55 AM	#21
Terry Jay Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sterling, AK Port Angeles, WA Posts: 33	Phil: Sorry, didn't mean to offend or hit any buttons. And no offense taken. If it is a craft show with no rules, it would be hard to break them. If a show for 'hand made' then any duplicator generated stuff wouldn't qualify. But then, will the sponsor/promoter enforce their rules? Anyway, I didn't buy a saw to become a copy machine operator. There will always be a market for originals. Cheers, Terry

08-05-2009, 07:46 PM	#26
D Rogerson Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4	The progression from a hand fret saw to powered scroll saw seems a natural evolution compared to going from a bladed saw to a lazer guided by computer. It is similar to the carving siatuation the last sixty years. Most of what is now advertized as 'hand carved' is not. It is router reproduced from the Holy land, Germany, Bali, and elsewhere. Because most folks want a low price for what they consider a craft item, reproduction items are increasingly markatable and actual handcrafted ones considered too pricy. A shame.

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