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07-23-2006, 07:26 PM
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#11 | | Gone to the Dark Side
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| Cool thread,
If more get published electronically, does it mean more wood for us to scroll?
(less used for publications)
Carl, I disagree with the cost of publishing angle. If you look at the router show on the woodworking channel website, I can't believe that show is expensive to make.
Same for the New-Yankee Workshop, that show is minimalistic to produce: One cameraman, one sound man. one editor/producer, one star. I think I read it was something like 135,000 per episode. Which is peanuts in TV dollars compared to what it brings in revenues.
Now we don't need to be talking of something as sophisticated to start with: How about a scroller that can explain clear and nice (and NOT BORING) and isn't camera shy, 2 digital video cameras (cameraman welcome, but optional: tripod acceptable: one on scroller and one on work (close-ups)), a fire-wire card for PC transfer, some not too expensive editing software and voilÃ*, instant Internet transferable show.
Shouldn't be expensive, nor too complicated. Of course you wouldn't have the sophistication Gill mentioned : Multi camera angles and interactivity, but it would be a step in the right direction for anyone trying to promote scrollsawing.
Just thoughts sparked by your discussion.
Marcel
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07-23-2006, 07:43 PM
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#12 | | Fallen Angel
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| Distribution wouldn't be a problem with a simple project like this, either. Perhaps Bob might be able to find space on a SSW&C server to host the programmes, but if not, they could be uploaded to Google (or some similar host) and made generally available.
Gill
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07-23-2006, 08:59 PM
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#13 | | Moderator CUT IT OUT
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| This all sounds wonderful and I am all for it.
Even though Marcel pointed out the cost does not have to be expensive, there will still be costs incurred.
A broadcaster would have to find some source of revenue to recoup those costs.
I think of the cost of running this forum. I have no idea what they will be but they are far more than we are paying for
There is the server, the cost of staff to maintain the website, the cost of staff hosting the website.
Sure we all contribute something to the site, and it is a wonderful resource for the editors to obtain information and contacts for future articles, which in turn feeds the magazine which advertisers buy space in which in the end should recover the cost of the forum.
If an online broadcast also had advertising space in it then the same could hold true for that.
I do find that some people consider any form of advertising online as spam, and when I am looking for something specific I too find advertising somewhat annoying. This is just an obstacle that I am sure can be overcome.
I would be willing to review items in order to gain access to an informative and entertaining online broadcast.
With just under 1000 members on the forum though I still think it will be some time before we see this happen.
Just my opinion and once again I am happy to share it 
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07-24-2006, 08:46 PM
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#14 | | Gone to the Dark Side
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| Carl,
Advertising? Who wants stinkin' advertizin'?
Now let's talk Product Placement
Isn't that what it's all about nowadays?
Have a can of your favorite beverage in view (one ad) while showing the scrollsaw used (two ads) and talking of the blade brand and why we use it (three ads). Speak of safety, wear goggles (four ads) and respirator mask (five ads) and mention dust controller (six ads)
Speak of finishing using brand X (seven ads) oil and brand Y (eight ads) poly.
Don't forget sanding paper (nine ads), pattern origin (ten ads) and the glue used to hold pattern (eleven ads) to the packing tape (twelve ads).
I'm sure we could place more products in the background. Of course, you also need to put their names in the credits at the end of the show.
There should be some way to get companies to pay a token fee to help create the episodes, you just need to make a good promo show to sell the concept.
And Gill,
Although it would be nice of SSW&C to host the program, I think the impact would be greater in getting an audience on the woodworking channel. You would get woodworkers that are not necessarily scrollers, while still being able to tell people from scrolling sites to go have a look at the show. This way you can get more people interested in scrolling that otherwise would not think about it, and if you mention this site in the show or credits as a good resource for scrollers, then it may increase the traffic. Or you could mention that the episodes already aired are available for download from here, creating more traffic to this site.
Then we could go cable, and syndicate and bump the New-Yankee off the air and... WOW! backup Marcel, I like Norm's show  It's Bob Villa I can't stand, him we can bump  , yes that's the plan, bump Bob Villa off the air
Just thoughts from the creative mind of a utopist,
Marcel
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07-24-2006, 09:04 PM
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#15 | | Moderator CUT IT OUT
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| "touché mon frère"
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07-29-2006, 03:39 AM
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#16 | | Senior Member
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| Bob, did you say you might have some free time after the open house? I don't think so!! They are making plans for you!! 
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07-29-2006, 03:42 PM
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#17 | | Senior Member
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| I love this thread!! I have thought about many of the same things. My Oldest son is really into making videos right now. He has taped me several time making projects so that I can watch them later and review my steps to see it I could have done anything different. He is always looking for something to do.
Kevin 
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07-29-2006, 03:52 PM
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#18 | | Gone to the Dark Side
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| Hi Kevin,
Are your videos in digital format or analog?
IF digital, can they be shared?
I may be able to provide the bandwidth if needed.
Regards,
Marcel
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07-29-2006, 04:03 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
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| Marcel-
Right now they are analog. I Jordan continues to show interest WE are going to buy he a digital for his birthday or Christmas depending on our funds.
Kevin 
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