Workshop ponderings

[Back2Jake]

Every morning before I head into the shop, I will read over the forums. Granted I don't get right into every thread, because it would surely beat any best seller on the market... but I do try to preview most of it. I am aware of the many talented and knowledgable folks here on SSWC forum. Hey we have over 1000 members, now. For those who want to check out the competition, lets face it, we rock!

Many of the members are willing to lay it all out there. Share their knowledge and experience. I believe this place has become the place to go if you really want to know something. The forum runs well (software and administration) and the members are active.

So today while sawing, I had this thought..... How would you feel if your comments/advice/ideas/suggestions were used by some of the prominent personalities in scrolling? As a designer/writer I am inspired by many folks on the forums and those who do inspire me to take an idea a little further, I talk with them about it. When I see an idea or project that I just sit back and think "wow, that's something" I try and connect that person with someone who will put that idea out there and give the original creator (of the idea or design) the credit.

For example, if someone posted questions such as what technique you used to finish something or something you yourself worked out the logistics for.... what would your reaction be to seeing it picked up and used by someone else?

Are the topics and contributions on forums free for the taking .... lets hear you're opinion.

[Neal Moore]

Don't know about anyone else but anything I put up here is absolutely free for anyone reading it and I hope at least some of my ramblings have helped someone along the way. As a matter of fact, I recommended this forum, and our large pool of experience and expertise, in my book for those that have questions about ANY form of scrolling. One can virtually receive an "instant" answer when he or she needs it. This is the ONLY forum I participate in simply because I consider it as sort of our own big scrolling club. No dues, no fees and lots of fine friends!!! We even have our own publication which features designs and articles by many of our members. It don't get any better that that!!! BTW.....THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT....Just the facts as I see them.

[Back2Jake]

I really like that thought Neil,.... our own club. Cool!

[Gill]

Neal's speaking for me, too.

To my mind, we develop and grow as a society by teaching others and passing on our skills. Anything which inhibits this process is something that I find repulsive. I know there are strong arguments in favor of protecting some intellectual property, such as pattern copyright laws, but I can't help wonder where we'd be if Pythagoras had said one morning, "Listen up guys, I've worked out this really neat relationship between the three sides of a right-angled triangle. I'm going to patent it."

Okay... so we'd have lots of youngsters who were all the happier for not having to study geometry .

Just recently I developed a new technique for ebonising wood and posted details here. I was delighted when Bob told me that he was going to pass on the tip in the magazine (Bob, I take it the check's still in the post ?) because it's important to me that our activity should be organic. It needs to grow and new techniques need to be identified and mastered if scrolling is to flourish. Moreover, if someone adopts one of my patterns or techniques to their own advantage, then good luck to them - imitation is a very sincere form of flattery, and I like it!

On the other hand, I'd be extremely upset if I developed something and published details here, only to find that somebody else then tried to pass it off as their own without acknowledgment. When something is given freely to all, that gift should be honored by those who take advantage of it.

Gill

[Marcel in Longueuil]

Hi Toni,

Nice topic

By it's nature the forum is public domain.

Anything written here is available to anyone since you don't need to be a member to read the threads (although it's nice when lurkers start to realize that we are genuine people that don't bite, and they join the club to discuss.)

If I post any advice or technique here, it is for anyone to try. If someone uses it and includes it in a publication giving me credit for the inspiration, good, if not... may the fleas of a thousand camels... no, sorry, that's a different situation. I meant to say if not... then the people here would know where they saw it first.
And it's no biggie since most of the stuff I say here I read somewhere else, ...and I have to admit that I don't always remember the source myself, so no credit is given by myself most of the time.

My experience is an amalgam of all that I read, viewed, heard and tried myself. (And there you have it: the synopsis of life in 15 words )

I don't think I've discovered any new woodworking technique personally; So no claim to fame there. I'm not a professional woodworker, so I don't live by this and can afford to "give" away any trade secrets I may have.

And if my advice is good enough to help people, even if someone else took the credit for it, then I've accomplished something positive that I can be proud of in my heart.

And those are my thoughts on the subject this morning. I'll let you know if I change my mind later

Regards,
Marcel

[Jediscroller]

Originally Posted by Gill

On the other hand, I'd be extremely upset if I developed something and published details here, only to find that somebody else then tried to pass it off as their own without acknowledgment. When something is given freely to all, that gift should be honored by those who take advantage of it.
Gill

This about sums up my feelings on it. As far as it being public domain, that is not correct. I'd suggest reading 10 Myths about Copyrights.

I'd rather be asked. Granted, there's not a heck of a lot I've posted that I would care much about, but I have posted tutorials and such on other forums and I would be most upset if they showed up elsewhere without my knowledge.

[Marsha]

I feel exactly like Neal and Gill, any info, tips or help that I put out there is free for the taking. It is a nice feeling when someone has benefited (is that a word?) by a tip you've posted and they react with a PM of thanks. I have often thought, what a great book it would be if someone could take all the great tips and info from this forum and put them together in one reference book.

I must admit, until I found this forum, I was very limited in my scrolling. With the exception of chess sets, I did more woodworking where I incorporated some scrolling, but I have learned so much about fret work, thanks to this forum, it has become my primary craft.(oops did I use that word).

And now is a good time to thank everyone for the knowledge and experience that makes this such a great site.
Marsha

[wwalker47]

Well said, Neal, well said. I totally agree. Someone should wright a book on our comments, advice, ideas, suggestions, and helpful hints. I should think it would be a rather lengthy book, tho.

I haven't been at this too long but you can use mine (how ever useful, or not, it might be).

Oh, well, that's my tuppence.

-Bill

[Woodbutcher68]

I should think it would be a rather lengthy book, tho

And lengthy books usually don't get read all the way through. Besides, it's a lot easier to ask a question here and get an answer or two than to thumb through a book. I haven't posted here a lot lately due to other things in my life, but I do visit a couple of times a day.

[CanadianScroller]

This is a great topic.
Knowledge should be free, credit should be given to the originator and everyone should benefit from the product.

I wonder how many crafts in the past fell into obscurity due to secrecy.

Recently I have been looking for information on Gothic architecture, specifically Gothic tracery. The information out there is limited. I have found what I need but it was hard work and was not free.

I do not condone plagiarism, or copyright infringement, but we have not only a right to share information, I feel we have an obligation.
A community is only as good as it's citizens and if the scrolling community can mimic this forum then the hobby of woodworking will have risen to a whole new level.