Welcome to Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts Message Board, an online scroll saw forum community where you can join thousands of scrollers from around the world discussing all things related to Scrolling. To gain full access to the message board you must register for a free account. As a registered member you will be able to:

 * Browse over 200,000 posts.
 * Communicate privately with other scrollers from around the world.
 * Post your own photos or view from 7,000 user submitted images.
 * Gain access to exclusive scroll saw promotions offered by Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts and Fox Chapel Publishing.

All this and much more is available to you absolutely free when you register for an account, so sign up today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact the Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts Support Team.

Go Back   Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts Message Board > Magazine and Members > Off Topic
Connect with Facebook

Off Topic

View Poll Results: Measuring Methods
Fractions 22 45.83%
Metrics 7 14.58%
Mixed 16 33.33%
Scratches on a stick 3 6.25%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-05-2009, 02:30 PM   #1
Sawdust Maker
 
Jim McDonald's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Muncie, IN USA
Posts: 1,109
Blog Entries: 9
Default The Case for Metrics

Probably should have made this a blog entry, but figured it might get more discussion here.

Most American woodworkers are comfortable with the "English" system of measurements--inches and fractions--and all the math that goes along with it. I much prefer turning the fractions into decimals to do the math, but I am just as comfortable using the metric system and the easier math that base 10 affords.

During and after high school, I worked in newspapers where we mixed points (72 per inch) picas (6 per inch) and inches. Funny, we measured type vertically in points, width was picas and depth of pictures and pages was inches, so I got used to a variety of measuring systems. During high school in the 1970s, there was talk of the US converting to metrics and the howls for the public was deafening. Some road signs were listed dually in miles and kilometers, but it seems the only industry that TRULY adopted metrics was bottling. We seem comfortable with 750ml of liquor and 2 liters of soft drinks, but we can't seem to change length to groups of 10.

Later, I was a paramedic where everything was milliliters, milligrams or micrograms and had no problems moving the decimal places as needed to make the calculations.

Now that I am beginning to draw things I want to cut, I find myself leaning more and more on the "underside" of the ruler and using more and more metrics.

I don't try to convert one system to the other, I just know that if 8mm is not quite large enough, nine will do. In fractions, do I go to the 1/8th, 1/16, or 1/32 to make that increase and then, will I have to reduce the fraction to make it more readable? The millimeter jump is much more understandable and truly requires no factoring.

I can say that something is 37mm and you could convert that to 3.7 centimeters if you wanted, but you recognize that is 3 full and 7 smaller marks. If it's not quite right, go to 36 or 38mm. But if I were to give you 37/16ths of an inch as a measurement, you would be doing the math to figure it was 2 5/16ths inches. Now if this is not right, look at the math involved in making a one unit change.

Besides, a millimeter is just over 1/25th of an inch and who among us needs to go any tighter than that?

Just some ramblings from a Saturday morning before the coffee has fully kicked in.
__________________
Jim

If it cannot be fixed with a hammer--must be an electrical problem.

"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."


Jim McDonald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 02:49 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Sally's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Renton WA
Posts: 1,594
Default

What??? (smile)
__________________
DeWalt user.
Sally is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 03:09 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Lois from Mississauga's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Mississauga, ON
Posts: 317
Default

Canada went metric in the late 70's. Kilometers replaced miles, Celsius replaced Fahrenheit, etc. Although I was just a little kid then, and we were taught metric in school, I still mix and match our measurements. I think it comes from the US being a close neighbor and its products still influencing us.

I use inches, pounds, cups and teaspoons (but will switch back and forth if one works better at the time). I avoid fractions at all costs and when needed, will switch to metric to avoid them. When getting to the large measurements, it all goes metric. Kilometers, liters, etc.

Temperature outside is always Celsius. But taking someone's temperature when they are sick is English - 102 sounds more concerning than 39), ...and for the oven - all recipes are in Fahrenheit. Then again, when looking at my weight, the smaller Kilogram number always looks better than the Pounds. (and I won't say how much either goes for right now).

I have often thought it interesting that we bounce from one to the other so randomly.
__________________
Lois

---Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.---
Lois from Mississauga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 03:12 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Fran1942's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 541
Default

Metric is so much easier to work with. I agree. But as long as our lumber is sold in fractions. I will use that method.
Fran
Fran1942 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 04:13 PM   #5
Behave Yourself..I can't.
 
wood-n-things's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Right here ---silly
Posts: 5,962
Blog Entries: 1
Default

I wish we were in metrics. I remember the big push. Perhaps we could get some folks back to work putting up those dual signs again and converting to metric would add some new job I would thin.
__________________
The Mike One of them anyway.

I don't make mistakes..I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.

Mike's Wood-n-Things
wood-n-things is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 04:21 PM   #6
'Senior' member - no way!
 
jim_mex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Pachuca, Mexico
Posts: 2,341
Send a message via Skype™ to jim_mex
Default

Hi Jim -

I work around the world in factories associated with ceramic manufacturing ie tableware, sanitaryware and tiles. In all of these factories the units get mixed. We talk of 10 1/2" and 7" plates, 15, 20 and 33 mm tiles, toilets which have mm sizes yet couple to imperial plumbing fittings. plus we use machinery manufactured from all around the world with combinations of imperial and metric sized parts. My conclusion is that the attempt to change from imperial to metric will never succeed completely until industry makes a decision to go metric 100% and whilst there is still a massive call for spare parts in imperial sizes I can't see this happening. Personally I'm with you Jim, comfortable to use either system, although i will admit, metric makes calculations so much easier.

PS - my favourite here in Mexico is buying steel and lumber by imperial cross-section measurement and metric length . What a mess! LOL!
__________________
Jim in Mexico

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former
.”
-Albert Einstein
jim_mex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 04:24 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Mick Walker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Janesville, WI
Posts: 1,487
Default

Somewhere I read that 5/4 of all people have trouble with fractions.
__________________
Mick, - Delta P-20

The future ain't what it used to be.
Mick Walker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 04:48 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Henryetta, Ok.
Posts: 120
Default

As a machinest I convert everything to Thousands of an inch, even my wood working. I work in all the aformentioned except the typeset. I also have to deal with wire gage size of numbers and letters. Then there is the sheet metal gage sizes and the electrcal wire sizes. It can all get a bit confusing. As for me I will never change from the basic inch system because I would have to buy all new measuring equipment.

Mike
MikeyD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 04:54 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Hamilton Ontario
Posts: 1,376
Default

I have adapted to both method of measurments, metric & imperial. I prefer to use metric whenever fractions become an issue, I've never been able to divide anything into thirds evenly. I never try to convert one to the other, if I need metric I use a metric ruler or tape measure. I know that 21 celcius is warm enough and 25 celcius is too hot for me, but I have no idea what that is in fahrenheit. I know I drive in the city at 60 kmh, and 100 kmh on the highway, because that's what it says on the speedometer and the signs on the side of the road, who cares what that is in mph, it's fast enough for me. When I buy sliced meat I buy by the slice, who cares what it weighs. When I bake I use imperial, cause it's there in the recipe book.
Nothing is black and white, I use what I need for the situation I'm in.
That's my 2¢ worth
Marsha
__________________
LIFE'S SHORT, USE IT WELL
Marsha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 05:34 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
saw dust's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,257
Default

Agree with most can use either but if I want something to be a tighter tollerance I opt to use metric measurements. saw dust
saw dust is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 01:52 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.0