Khalid, Man of many Talents :)

[JohnB]

(Today I am very happy...My experimentation on water as a Fuel to car succeeded...I have Petrol car having 12 KM/lit average and now its increase to 18KM/Lit...

Basically, the designing of the fuel cell and experimentation took much time...Implementation of the system took only few hours..and I can easily revert back to original configuration..)

G'day Khalid,
That's a considerable improvement.

Back in the 70's I put a water injector on my V8 Falcon, that boosted economy by about 4 mpg.

Strange how things go. My '63 Falcon used to get 25mpg around town and 31mpg on long runs.

My '74 Falcon got about 19mpg around town and 25mpg on country trips

The V8 was about 15mpg -20mpg

My current 2006 Falcon gets 34mpg Country and 22mpg town

[Khalid]

John...Thank you very much indeed. I don't know what my feelings are when i saw the topic of this thread...Its your greatness u gave me that much honour...

I did electrolyses of water with 12V 10amp and got about 1 liter/minute of HHO (Highly explosive gas)..This gas was pass through the bubbler and then injected into the carburator...

I am happy that you did a little bit different technique in late 70's..I will be happy if you explain it for all of us....

Again bundle of thanks
Best regards

[Khalid]

Originally Posted by JohnB

My current 2006 Falcon gets 34mpg Country and 22mpg town

Thats considerable improvement..Now i wish to see some of the pics of what arrangement you did in your engine..

[JohnB]

G'day Khalid,
Haven't touched the engine on the 2006 car, that's just way it came from the factory.
I wouldn't know where to start on these new cars, fuel injection, computers and lots of do dads under the bonnet that I haven't a clue what they do.

The older cars, I always serviced myself and very rarely took them to a mechanic.

The V8 I bought New in 1978. Chucked the carby and replaced it with a Holly 250, Tapped into the side of the throat and fitted a jet that was connected to a water tank under the bonnet.

The water was drawn into the carby, vaporised, and mixed with the fuel. I'm not sure of the science behind it, but it gave a good result.

If you wanted a bit of a boost, You'd just put a shot alcohol in with the water

[workin for wood]

I'm no Einstein, and don't exactly understand the way you are creating the alternate fuel source, but on top of that, I don't understand the need for an alternate fuel source. The current fuel source is great, just that it is used very uneffeciently. I don't exactly know anything about it all, just know a bit of common sense. I believe gearing of anything mobile is the key to maximum gas mileage. For some reason we are stuck on making vehicles with 3-5 gears in the transmission. Why not 6,7, or 8 gears? To me it's just common sense. I look at my bike, well the mileage rating is 64 to 128 mpg. So they are saying in essence that if I drive 34 miles per hour, I get 128 mpg. When I double the speed to the bikes maximum of 68 mph, I also double the rpm in the engine..that's double the explosions and thus double the fuel burned. Why? because I have no more gears to switch up to which would lower the rpm and thus better mileage. In a car it's the same thing. Add another gear and the car will run a lower engine speed. I drive a tractor trailer, and these manufacturers seem to get it. 10-18 gears depending on the truck. In my tractor trailer I drive 60 mph and the engine speed is only 1200 rpm. I'm pushing 7.6 mpg. You relate that to your car, well sounds bad but that's an 80,000 pound vehicle and an SUV is 5000 pounds at an average 15mpg. So the truck with more gears is maybe 14 times heavier and only using 2 times the fuel. It's a tiny bit about the fact that the truck is diesel, but mostly it is about the gears. With a tractor trailer you have options as to how to set up your gearing, in a car you don't. GM and others say they just can't make more mileage on these SUV's. I want to think that they have considered the fact that if they add two more gears they might almost double the mileage, but assumption is the mother of all ....<you know>, and/or of course I could just be wrong in my theory all together.

[greatdane2]

I run a 2004 Dodge 1 ton quadcab with dual wheels. On the highway I can get 18mpg if I stick to 55mph. This was a factory order. It has the gas Hemi engine.It also has a standard tranny and a 4.10 rearend. At 60mph it turns at 2200rpm.
When I bought it I had a 32' jazz fifth wheel trailer. It pulled that sucker over the Rockies no sweat, I got around 12mpg on that trip going about 3000km. I changed the intake,exhaust and engine timing the first day I got it.
This is a long way of saying that Jeff is right. Those fancy cars or trucks on the lot are not built to get good mileage. I read Dodge truck auto trannies use 29% of the available power just to run.
I bit of simple research can insure the big pig you buy is at leaste resonable on fuel.
I am now on my fourth crewcab. #1-5mpg. #2-12mpg. #3-16mpg. and the hemi.
The Hemi will spin the tires in the first 3 gears and that is with positrack.
My last truck lasted 19 years and I hope I get the same out of this one.
Alan.

[ajay]

An off topic reply. For those of you who like to experiment and/or tinker, you can supplement your automobile fuel with a water gas mixture (HHO) to increase fuel economy. There are many kits and much information available to do so. You may be interested in the below link as a start.

Run Your Car On Water Review, Increased Gas Mileage | The News is NowPublic.com

[Khalid]

Originally Posted by workin for wood

I'm no Einstein, ... I don't exactly know anything about it all, just know a bit of common sense. I believe gearing of anything mobile is the key to maximum gas mileage. .......

For me , I don't know why the car manufacturer do not put extra gears in vehicle, but i do know that High RPM low Torque and Low RPM High Torque, For heavy loader you will see they are moving very slow so they are having high force/torque to take and move the load.. But Ferrari can move very fast but ca't left the heavy load...

I believe 75 to 80% fuel unburnt in exhaust pipe, so using catalytic converter to further burn them and make the environment clean...Our engines are so in-efficient, we can improve the efficiency of theses engines with some high calorific fuel like HHO and someone using ACETONE too.. but in my point of view ACETONE gives good milage but its harmful to engine rubber parts like gaskets etc...

Believe me or not, I did it and I am getting extra milage...Sometime ago i take it as a scam.. But now i beleive we can improve the performance of our vehicle... Few bucks and experimentation and you get extra milage....

HHO is very explosive, handle it with care.. See You tube videos on "HHO explosion"

Best of luck

[Big_red_S]

I'm confused!

The engine you described is breaking the first law of thermodynamics - which has never been done. What you're saying is that you get more power then it takes to generate - if you've done that you will have no more financial worries and your place in world history is secured.

I'm saying that because .the gas produced by separating water is dangerous and has been called many things. This technology has been available for years from many sources. These machines are heavy and suck in a lot more power than you ever get out of them by burning the gas back into water.

HHO (or whatever it's called these days - basically a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen) IS VERY DANGEROUS!!!
It is 3 to 10 times more explosive then hydrogen (you know they make hydrogen bombs right?)

You want to save on gas?
Drive slow and check your tire pressure & oil weekly.

[Khalid]

Hmmm... nice comments
Let us see in this way... I am using 12V and about 15amps from my battery rated at 12V 45amp... When you start your car the alternator produces 12V 60~70 amp depending upon what type of alternator you are using... It contineously charge the battery and when battery is fully charged then the load from the alternator shifted to shunt resistors... At that time you are contineously running the alternator and not getting any benefit out of it...Am I right????

Now, If i am getting HHO that is highly explosive gas from only 12V 15 amp and if it is sufficent quantity so that it can burn your fuel more efficiently then the wastage of that alternator power may easily be utilized...

My car is not perpetual motion machine, that generate power for itself and do more work without any wastage... I am just burning the fuel more efficiently...

Another way...Tell me one thing... What about Atomic Bomb...You are giving it little energy and it blasted with 100 times (I dont know exact figure) more than the energy you are provided... So we can produce Hydrogen with little amount of energy...

I think this technology is not promoted by the governamental agencies for many reasons like1- It is hazardous/explosive and require special care, 2- It can lower the profits that the governament getting from oil industries.....etc..

Belive me by 12V 15 amp, you can make Hydrogen torch that having temperature 2000+ and can be used for welding/cutting... You can't produce 2000C temperature from directly 12V battery...

In last i will say one thing, many peoples who experimented and generated HHO are disatisfied bcos, they not changing the engine timings and not making the lean mixture( changing in fuel injection settings)...So when they directly put HHO in carburator they are only getting 4-5% of fuel effciency...