Dragons ... are they intarsia or segmentation

[Back2Jake]

Here's a photo of Ficateur and Ornetz, two of our latest dragon patterns.
They were previously posted on the CB Designs site as photoshop renderings and until we could get them sanded and assembled.

So, here they are together.
Are they segmentation or intarsia? Is one segmentation, the other intarsia?

One thing's for sure... they are not fretwork... yet.

Take care
Toni

[Tor]

Well, the one on the left, (Ficateur, I presume?), looks more like an intarsia piece than Ornetz. Just the way the grain runs feels more chosen for each piece than the entire work, one of the hallmarks of intarsia. Of course, you could be trying to fool us, but I do not see two intarsia pieces there.

Tor

[Back2Jake]

Originally Posted by Tor

Of course, you could be trying to fool us, but I do not see two intarsia pieces there.

Tor

Trying to fool you? Nope.
Trying to show how sometimes, we have more options than we might think when it comes to scrolling... yep.

Thanks for your reply Tor. Admire your work.... and really appreciate your remarks on the dragons.

Take care
Toni

[f250]

The grain on the right surely makes it segmentation, because I can see the common grain pattern runs right thru the pieces.

On both they appeared stained. That is not my favorite way to go, but sometimes it is the right thing to do. I always think of intarsia as naturally colored by the wodd without stain, but I'm nobody to make a definition...

They are both very cool by the way.

[minowevie]

Well I will take a gander. the one on the right. is seg for sure. and the one on the left is a bit confusing, for , I see sanded pieces that look differant thickness, like they was cut seperat. but I also , see staining, or coloring, and also looks like wood burning. but the way it looks to me, it is still intarsia. Evie

[Flatlander]

Hello Toni,
I don't think that it really matters as to intarsia or segmentation. These are really different and original designs and my guess is that they look even better in real life than in the pics.I like them. How big are the pieces?
I'm sure that the discussion has taken place in the past and I missed it but I often wonder at what point does woodworking turn into art.Are we woodworkers or artists or woodworking artists. I see some furniture that looks like art to me.Even a finely turned pen or a unique bowl strikes me as a piece of art at times.Any ideas on where the line is between the two?

[workin for wood]

I think they are both segmentation. Don't know if they where both cut by the same person, the person that cut the piece on the left did a better job. Seems to me the grain direction in both pictures is the same. the one on the left I believe has some burn marks in it's neck which disguise the grain direction.

[jigsue]

I would agree with Jeff,

Not that it matters a hoot, I use allsorts of different ways of producing an end product, will use different dyes, paints on the same piece and even stick decals on. I just label everything as "scrolled" and where I use wood, I would list the different woods used.

As I understand, intarsia is where wood is used according to its colour and grain pattern to make each piece, therefore the skill is in choosing the correct woods as no stains, etc should be required to give the desired effect.

Segmentation is cut from the same piece of wood and may be shaped, painted, dyed etc to give the desired effect.

If my interpretation of the terms is correct, I would suggest that both pieces are segmentation.

But, as I said at the begnning, does it really matter? It would only make a difference if you were asked, for example for a show or something similar, to enter a piece of intarsia. Having said that, any self-respecting show would give you rules based on their interpretaion.

As far as I am concerned, anything goes!

Sue

[f250]

So are we working on art or is it some kind of hobby or craft? I see some scroll work sold as crafts at the smaller craft shows. I also see some sold at the finer arts shows. My wife and most that see what I do insist that it is art and call me an artist.

I think they are right, please don't tell them I said so. What we do goes beyond crafts by a long shot!

Tom

[workin for wood]

Are we going to get the answer for the proposed question?