copy right laws

[HAMMER]

I have been reading the feed back given on the copy right questions but still am unclear. From what I gather if its not your picture up need premission to use it....Ok but if you make a pattern from it for your own use its fine. Try to sell it and you messed up...also fine. But from the way the threads read you coulf also apply this thinking to the book of patterns you might buy outright...
If you buy a pattern book for scroll saw work and then sell your finished product is that also an infringement???

[BobD]

Short answer...No.

More detailed...what you are talking about goes into the area of intended use. Obviously, if someone put the book of patterns together, they intended for you to make the projects. We we put patterns in the magazine, we're overjoyed to hear that you make and sell our designs! Here's our general take on it:
1. If you make a half dozen differnet ornaments, and sell them, great!
2. If you find one ornament sells better than the others, and make an extra 10 of those ornaments...that's good business
3. If you decide to go wild and make an extra 100 of that ornament, I'd drop a line to the designer (through his or her respective website, or through the publisher) and give them the heads up. While, technically, you could get away without letting them know, it's a gesture of good will. How would you feel if you set up at a show next to a guy who was selling 100 ornaments based on your design. It's just common courtesy.
4. You cannot take the design and mass produce it on a laser to make 1,000s of ornaments...that's just not fair!

If...on the other hand, you made photocopies of the patterns and sold the photocopies, that would be an infringement!

Bob

[HAMMER]

Maybe I didnt make the quetion clear. The patterns in this magazine are great but thats not the purchase I ment. Although I Love many of the patterns in the magazine I ment a book of nothing but patterns no ads no forums no free patterns.. If the book of nothing but patterns is sold to you as just that (you buying the patterns) fo rthe sake of this a pattern book of birdhouses is that an infringement.. Believe me I make my own patterns and understand that he who makes the pattern should be paid for thier work.. some of mine found there way to other shops... but if you buy the pattern from me fine make it just dont sell the pattern to someone else.....

[Marsha]

Originally Posted by HAMMER

Maybe I didnt make the quetion clear. The patterns in this magazine are great but thats not the purchase I ment. Although I Love many of the patterns in the magazine I ment a book of nothing but patterns no ads no forums no free patterns.. If the book of nothing but patterns is sold to you as just that (you buying the patterns) fo rthe sake of this a pattern book of birdhouses is that an infringement.. Believe me I make my own patterns and understand that he who makes the pattern should be paid for thier work.. some of mine found there way to other shops... but if you buy the pattern from me fine make it just dont sell the pattern to someone else.....

It is an infringement if you sell the patterns, it sosen't matter where the pattern came from, a book, a magazine, or the internet, if you did not create the pattern, you can not sell it. It is not yours to sell.
Marsha

[BobD]

A book of patterns follows the same concept....the end intent of a book of birdhouse patterns is for you to make the birdhouses and sell the bird houses if you want you. It's the End Use Clause...the book was published with the intent of you buying the book and making the birdhouses. You bought the patterns and the right to make the birdhouses.

You didn't buy the right to make photocopies of the patterns as sell those photocopies.

Is that a little more clear?

Bob

[BobD]

I think the question, Marsha, was if he bought a book of birdhouse patterns, could he make birdhouses and sell the birdhouses.

I think I may have confused the issue by my insistant statements that you cannot sell the patterns. I'm afraid I may have put words in Hammer's mouth that he never said, implied, or meant to say. You have my apologies for the confusion.

Bob

[HAMMER]

I agree Marsha the pattern should not be sold by anyone but the maker. I am refering to the finished parduct the bird house itself....If you design a bird house sell me teh pattern I make it and someone buies it from me should I then be giving you the money? And I am not talking about mass qty.s Say three or four.

[Marsha]

Originally Posted by HAMMER

I agree Marsha the pattern should not be sold by anyone but the maker. I am refering to the finished parduct the bird house itself....If you design a bird house sell me teh pattern I make it and someone buies it from me should I then be giving you the money? And I am not talking about mass qty.s Say three or four.

NO,
Marsha

[HAMMER]

I think I will do aas I have always done and continue to just draw my own patterns by hand...This will negate the whole problem.....and I will be careful of who I let in my shop too as that seems to be how my patterns got reproduced.... If he had just asked I would have given it to him.....

[BobD]

That's honestly your choice, Hammer...But I want to emphasize that you have the right, as the end user, to make and sell birdhouses based on a patterns in a book of birdhouse patterns you bought.

Bob