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hoover4 · 10-27-2008, 02:08 AM

ok i have question on cutting box lids when (and i have no example to post here) what lines are u cutting to make the inner ring to fit in the top. god i hope that made sense to somebody because it sure didnt to me. brian.

sp_343 · 10-27-2008, 02:15 AM

That can depend on the box designer. Some boxes have the lid liner as a seperate pattern that is just a hair smaller that the inside and makes a nice fit. Other box tops are cut to fit just over the top, on the outside of the box sides to again, make a nice fit.

e-mail me at: sp_343@yahoo.com

I can try help you by send pictures of plans that I have completed...we'll figure this out!

Chris

hoover4 · 10-27-2008, 02:32 AM

scroll saw fall 2008 issue has a box pattern that one i can see what they are cutting but some and i hope this doesnt sound stupid but they have an outer and middle and inner line so do u cut middle and inner line? does that make sense?

sp_343 · 10-27-2008, 05:33 PM

The fall issue...with the Intarsia Bull Elk on the cover...I see the pumpkin box pattern and the Ribbons & Bow box pattern...but I only see and "outer" line and "inner" line. Which one are you working on? Or do I have the wrong issue out?

hoover4 · 10-27-2008, 07:11 PM

Sorry i was just saying that some patterns are like that and want sure what lines to cut

sp_343 · 10-27-2008, 09:46 PM

On the pattern with the three lines for the lid. You cut on the line for the first (inside)line. Leave the second (middle) line alone. Cut the third (outside) line. DON'T peel off the pattern yet...leave it on the lid liner piece.

Now, there should be another pattern for the lid itself. Cut that out. Then glue the lid piece and the lid liner piece (with the pattern on it) together. Make sure the pattern can be seen. Once dry, then cut on the second (middle) line...you will be cutting through both pieces of wood and there you have a matching lid and lid liner. The lid liner will be on the outside of the box on that pattern.

Other box designs have a lid pattern and liner pattern with just one line each. With that you cut those pieces out and glue the liner to the middle of the lid to match the in side design of the box that you made. The lid liner will be hidden inside the box on that type of pattern.

lucky788scroller · 10-28-2008, 01:35 AM

Sorry I cant offer much help Hoover, reading this got me confused as to exactly what you are meaning, but it sounds like the cop might have tackled your question. Oops sorry, not a cop...the trooper!

hoover4 · 10-28-2008, 12:33 PM

thanks for everyones help i'll have to find the specific pattern and get back to you because i think i've confused myself

handibunny · 10-28-2008, 03:09 PM

Brian,
Everyone who creates a box pattern uses a different system for the lid liner. The simplest one, as far as I'm concerned, is to measure the top opening of the box after cutting the inside but before you put the base on, so you can trace what you've actually cut. Then cut your liner to that size, sanding so it just fits nicely inside. Be careful when you glue it to the lid to center it properly. This gives you a lid that sits on top of the box, with the liner keeping it in alignment. I think the instructions I gave in the bow box (Fall, 2008) should be clear, but if you have any questions, just ask.

Carole

hoover4 · 10-28-2008, 06:25 PM

your directions were quite good and and i cant wait to try cutting the pattern. its just that sometimes what i'm looking at and whats being explained is makes me feel like "duh" lol.

10-27-2008, 02:08 AM	#1
hoover4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	cutting box lids ok i have question on cutting box lids when (and i have no example to post here) what lines are u cutting to make the inner ring to fit in the top. god i hope that made sense to somebody because it sure didnt to me. brian.

10-27-2008, 02:15 AM	#2
sp_343 Scrolling State Trooper Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NW Minnesota Posts: 22	That can depend on the box designer. Some boxes have the lid liner as a seperate pattern that is just a hair smaller that the inside and makes a nice fit. Other box tops are cut to fit just over the top, on the outside of the box sides to again, make a nice fit. e-mail me at: sp_343@yahoo.com I can try help you by send pictures of plans that I have completed...we'll figure this out! Chris __________________ Sawdust...as close to potpourri as I get. Last edited by sp_343; 10-27-2008 at 02:23 AM. Reason: Add e-mail address

10-27-2008, 05:33 PM	#4
sp_343 Scrolling State Trooper Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NW Minnesota Posts: 22	The fall issue...with the Intarsia Bull Elk on the cover...I see the pumpkin box pattern and the Ribbons & Bow box pattern...but I only see and "outer" line and "inner" line. Which one are you working on? Or do I have the wrong issue out? __________________ Sawdust...as close to potpourri as I get.

10-27-2008, 09:46 PM	#6
sp_343 Scrolling State Trooper Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NW Minnesota Posts: 22	On the pattern with the three lines for the lid. You cut on the line for the first (inside)line. Leave the second (middle) line alone. Cut the third (outside) line. DON'T peel off the pattern yet...leave it on the lid liner piece. Now, there should be another pattern for the lid itself. Cut that out. Then glue the lid piece and the lid liner piece (with the pattern on it) together. Make sure the pattern can be seen. Once dry, then cut on the second (middle) line...you will be cutting through both pieces of wood and there you have a matching lid and lid liner. The lid liner will be on the outside of the box on that pattern. Other box designs have a lid pattern and liner pattern with just one line each. With that you cut those pieces out and glue the liner to the middle of the lid to match the in side design of the box that you made. The lid liner will be hidden inside the box on that type of pattern. __________________ Sawdust...as close to potpourri as I get.

10-28-2008, 01:35 AM	#7
lucky788scroller Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: wisconsin Posts: 6,354	Sorry I cant offer much help Hoover, reading this got me confused as to exactly what you are meaning, but it sounds like the cop might have tackled your question. Oops sorry, not a cop...the trooper! __________________ Dale w/ yella saws

10-27-2008, 02:32 AM	#3
hoover4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	scroll saw fall 2008 issue has a box pattern that one i can see what they are cutting but some and i hope this doesnt sound stupid but they have an outer and middle and inner line so do u cut middle and inner line? does that make sense?

10-27-2008, 07:11 PM	#5
hoover4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	Sorry i was just saying that some patterns are like that and want sure what lines to cut

10-28-2008, 12:33 PM	#8
hoover4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	thanks for everyones help i'll have to find the specific pattern and get back to you because i think i've confused myself

10-28-2008, 03:09 PM	#9
handibunny Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY Posts: 619	Brian, Everyone who creates a box pattern uses a different system for the lid liner. The simplest one, as far as I'm concerned, is to measure the top opening of the box after cutting the inside but before you put the base on, so you can trace what you've actually cut. Then cut your liner to that size, sanding so it just fits nicely inside. Be careful when you glue it to the lid to center it properly. This gives you a lid that sits on top of the box, with the liner keeping it in alignment. I think the instructions I gave in the bow box (Fall, 2008) should be clear, but if you have any questions, just ask. Carole

10-28-2008, 06:25 PM	#10
hoover4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	your directions were quite good and and i cant wait to try cutting the pattern. its just that sometimes what i'm looking at and whats being explained is makes me feel like "duh" lol.

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