More progress on the shop!! - Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts Message Board

Cutting Cathy · 10-22-2008, 02:41 AM

We are really making progress on the shop!! Last night we had the heater installed!! We bought the heater from a friend for $50.00! Works great and has a thermostat. We did spend extra and had it installed by an electrician to be safe. And just in time as it is suppose to snow tomorrow!!!

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For everyone that was complaining that I didn't have any sawdust. I'm working on it!!!

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My "work" area is coming along nicely!! I had a new big clock when I got home.... I wonder if that's so I don't loose track of time!!

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And this is what my husband did to keep my flex drum sander sleeves in order!

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It's a work in progress and I thank you all for taking the trip with me!!

Cathy in NE

Fremmed · 10-22-2008, 02:53 AM

Dang Cathy, I think your shop is bigger than my house. That looks AWESOME! BTW There's still not saw dust. <G>

greatdane2 · 10-22-2008, 03:00 AM

Its lookin real good,still needs dust though. One point that I wonder about , is that heater safe to use in a wood shop. My understanding is a shop heater should be the oil filled kind. They look like the old water heater style. I looked at a lot of heaters last year for my dads new shop, and only the oil filled ones were rated as safe with dust.
A friend lost his wood shop and all his tools to a fire that started in a ceiling mount heater. The insurance company found the heater was not rated for the shop and would not pay for the damage.
On that cheery note, please check yours and make sure its ok.

Alan.

Trout · 10-22-2008, 03:14 AM

it sounds like your husband is doing a good job making sure that you have a nice shop area..

Trout

Cutting Cathy · 10-22-2008, 03:16 AM

Oh wow Alan! I just printed out your post and gave it to my husband. He said the electricians know the code, but he was going to take that with him tomorrow and do some checking! Thanks for the information and I'll keep you posted!!

Cathy in NE

Pajaro · 10-22-2008, 12:49 PM

I agree even if the heater you have is to code. I would go with the oil filled heater. They work quite well here in Dallas. But Nebraska has colder winters... Good luck. And yes, you do need more sawdust in your shop. I have a 50 gallon trash bag full of sawdust if you want me to send it to you..

Wood Dog · 10-22-2008, 01:30 PM

Spot on Alan.......thats what I love about this forum. We are always looking out for each other. I never thought of that with those heaters. Cathy if that heater doesn't pan out for you with the safety issues consider a pellet stove. I heat my workshop with one and find it very easy to use. Works great too.

scrolldog · 10-22-2008, 09:30 PM

Cathy,SNOW not that four letter word (LOL).Starting to get pretty chilly here,not looking forward to the deep stuff.
BTW the shop looks like a winner.

greatdane2 · 10-22-2008, 09:43 PM

I have a story about sawdust and how dangerous it is. 30 years a go I was making cedar hot tubs for sale. I would end up with 12-14 brown grocery bags of chips and sawdust per tub, that went to the landfill. One day the other half was burning yard waste and I walked over and tipped 2 bags over the fire as I wanted to save the bags.
My eyebrows,mustache and hair did grow back! that dust exploded like I had poured gas on the fire. Burning sawdust in a pile is ok but if its floating in the air it is a different story. So a wood/pellet stove or an open electrical heater will never be in my shop.
I use the oil filled type and you could bury it in sawdust and be safe. The ones I have seen just sit on the floor, but They should be able to mount on the wall or ceiling. But you might have a problem with the thermostat being as high as the heater. It would not heat below the heater.

Alan.

jim_mex · 10-22-2008, 10:31 PM

Hey Cathy - I'd give a right arm plus a leg for your shop! - plenty of space and a great array of tools. But theres no way I could keep it so clean and organised - kinda goes against the grain!!!

Ref the heater - sorry to be a harbinger of doom but I definitely have to agree with the other guys. Ref Alan's experience which is a good indicator - fine sawdust such as you generate from a sander if it got into the air through a vacuum failure or otherwise has the potential to form an explosive mix if it comes into contact with a flame or red hot electrical element. This phenomenon is similar to the sort of problems you get with fine flour at mills.

Whilst the chance of this happening in a clean shop with good extraction are very slim I wouldn't risk it. Also if you did have a fire for whatever reason the insurance people would certainly use the heater as a get out on paying.

Enjoy your shop and look forward to seeing the christening piece!

10-22-2008, 02:41 AM	#1
Cutting Cathy Proud Grandma Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Central Nebraska Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	More progress on the shop!! We are really making progress on the shop!! Last night we had the heater installed!! We bought the heater from a friend for $50.00! Works great and has a thermostat. We did spend extra and had it installed by an electrician to be safe. And just in time as it is suppose to snow tomorrow!!! P1010016.jpg For everyone that was complaining that I didn't have any sawdust. I'm working on it!!! P1010018.jpg P1010019.jpg My "work" area is coming along nicely!! I had a new big clock when I got home.... I wonder if that's so I don't loose track of time!! P1010022.jpg And this is what my husband did to keep my flex drum sander sleeves in order! P1010021.jpg It's a work in progress and I thank you all for taking the trip with me!! Cathy in NE

10-22-2008, 02:53 AM	#2
Fremmed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA Posts: 866 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dang Cathy, I think your shop is bigger than my house. That looks AWESOME! BTW There's still not saw dust. <G> __________________ The Journey is the Reward Kevin

10-22-2008, 03:14 AM	#4
Trout MrsTrout's Husband Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hayward Calif. Posts: 2,490 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	there's a little saw dust building up on the floor... it sounds like your husband is doing a good job making sure that you have a nice shop area.. Trout __________________ Hawk G-4 *Jetcraft* Fish are food, not friends!

10-22-2008, 12:49 PM	#6
Pajaro I'm not really a cowboy. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: If it ain't Texas, then it ain't liven Posts: 2,496 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree even if the heater you have is to code. I would go with the oil filled heater. They work quite well here in Dallas. But Nebraska has colder winters... Good luck. And yes, you do need more sawdust in your shop. I have a 50 gallon trash bag full of sawdust if you want me to send it to you.. __________________ www.pajarostudiowns.com Excalibur EX-21 fanatic One of the Chosen few "The Rumors Of My Demise Have Been Greatly Exaggerated......I am retired!!!!!!!". Last edited by Pajaro; 10-22-2008 at 06:12 PM.

10-22-2008, 01:30 PM	#7
Wood Dog Senior member...Sweeet Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MA USA Posts: 7,744 Thanks: 13 Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts	Spot on Alan.......thats what I love about this forum. We are always looking out for each other. I never thought of that with those heaters. Cathy if that heater doesn't pan out for you with the safety issues consider a pellet stove. I heat my workshop with one and find it very easy to use. Works great too. __________________ WD aka: Gloria My Gallery " Two difficult things to say in life are Hello for the first time and Goodby for the last"

10-22-2008, 03:00 AM	#3
greatdane2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver Island, BC. Canada Posts: 2,268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Its lookin real good,still needs dust though. One point that I wonder about , is that heater safe to use in a wood shop. My understanding is a shop heater should be the oil filled kind. They look like the old water heater style. I looked at a lot of heaters last year for my dads new shop, and only the oil filled ones were rated as safe with dust. A friend lost his wood shop and all his tools to a fire that started in a ceiling mount heater. The insurance company found the heater was not rated for the shop and would not pay for the damage. On that cheery note, please check yours and make sure its ok. Alan.

10-22-2008, 03:16 AM	#5
Cutting Cathy Proud Grandma Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Central Nebraska Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Oh wow Alan! I just printed out your post and gave it to my husband. He said the electricians know the code, but he was going to take that with him tomorrow and do some checking! Thanks for the information and I'll keep you posted!! Cathy in NE

10-22-2008, 09:30 PM	#8
scrolldog A bad day scrollin'..... Join Date: May 2005 Location: Waterloo,Ia Posts: 332 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cathy,SNOW not that four letter word (LOL).Starting to get pretty chilly here,not looking forward to the deep stuff. BTW the shop looks like a winner. __________________ Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.Cliff

10-22-2008, 09:43 PM	#9
greatdane2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver Island, BC. Canada Posts: 2,268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a story about sawdust and how dangerous it is. 30 years a go I was making cedar hot tubs for sale. I would end up with 12-14 brown grocery bags of chips and sawdust per tub, that went to the landfill. One day the other half was burning yard waste and I walked over and tipped 2 bags over the fire as I wanted to save the bags. My eyebrows,mustache and hair did grow back! that dust exploded like I had poured gas on the fire. Burning sawdust in a pile is ok but if its floating in the air it is a different story. So a wood/pellet stove or an open electrical heater will never be in my shop. I use the oil filled type and you could bury it in sawdust and be safe. The ones I have seen just sit on the floor, but They should be able to mount on the wall or ceiling. But you might have a problem with the thermostat being as high as the heater. It would not heat below the heater. Alan.

10-22-2008, 10:31 PM	#10
jim_mex 100% toilet trained! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pachuca, Mexico Posts: 5,497 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 45 Posts	Hey Cathy - I'd give a right arm plus a leg for your shop! - plenty of space and a great array of tools. But theres no way I could keep it so clean and organised - kinda goes against the grain!!! Ref the heater - sorry to be a harbinger of doom but I definitely have to agree with the other guys. Ref Alan's experience which is a good indicator - fine sawdust such as you generate from a sander if it got into the air through a vacuum failure or otherwise has the potential to form an explosive mix if it comes into contact with a flame or red hot electrical element. This phenomenon is similar to the sort of problems you get with fine flour at mills. Whilst the chance of this happening in a clean shop with good extraction are very slim I wouldn't risk it. Also if you did have a fire for whatever reason the insurance people would certainly use the heater as a get out on paying. Enjoy your shop and look forward to seeing the christening piece! __________________ Jim in Mexico Dozing off? - nah, I'm creatively thinking with my eyes closed!

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