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kerry_nf · 03-29-2007, 05:27 PM

We may check in on you periodically Duke during your stay at Toni's facility to see how she is treating you.

bearfretworks · 03-30-2007, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry_nf

We may check in on you periodically Duke during your stay at Toni's facility to see how she is treating you.

Jerry.......Jerry.......you pass out over your saw?????? We NEED updates man!

DukeNukem · 03-30-2007, 12:11 PM

Ok here it is not much work on it yesterday spent most of the day with my wife on her day off.Anyway I'm up to 300 cuts and still going all your of your comments are keeping me on this one LOL.thanks.Jerry

Back2Jake · 03-30-2007, 02:24 PM

Okay Jerry, I've been following along here.

(I'll address Kerry's facility comment another time)

I notice this thread has gotten a lot of attention and views. Your project resembles others in the sheer insanity (anything with more than 200 cuts is insane IMHO) There has also been a good amount of discussion on the design of these intricate fretwork patterns.

I may not be very popular here with my next couple sentences but I simply need to know. What makes someone want to cut something like this? It may be a perspective thing, but I look at it and see a lot of "noise" to the pattern. Why do some want to make "cuts" that are as small as a drill bit? Is it just to say there are XXX, XXX, XXX cuts in the project?

Is the image visible when it is cut because I have a hard time visualizing something like this when it is a pattern.

Please don't mistake this post as a put down to you attempts. Kudos to you for your dedication to this project. I simply ask because I may learn something that I may use in the future.

Take care
Toni

Gill · 03-30-2007, 02:32 PM

Thank goodness for Toni! Those very same questions have been on my mind too, but I haven't wanted to ask them for fear of offending anyone.

Gill

CanadianScroller · 03-30-2007, 02:59 PM

Some people run marathons, some people take hikes, some people take slow meandering strolls, and some people stand and take in all that is around them.
Each one does what is right for them, few cross over from one extreme to the other.

As for patience in a project like this, it takes the same patience to cut a straight line, or even cut out letters.
Patience, to me, is the ability to continue to do something you do not care to do. If you enjoy doing it then it does not require patience.

kerry_nf · 03-30-2007, 03:34 PM

I have to agree with Toni on this one. If Jerry is doing this simply as a test of endurance then kudos Jerry...however...now, what follows is just my opinion, nothing more.

I don't think this pattern captures the beauty of the scene in the original picture at all. The pattern fails to seperate the elements in the picture and ends up looking like nothing more than a random assortment of lines and holes. Again, I must stress, this is simply my opinion and should not be construed as a put-down in any way, shape, or form.

Pattern making is more than just a few key strokes in a software program to render a picture as a bunch of "lines and holes"...it has to be worked on so that the different elements in the pattern have depth and/or are defined and stand out. I have seen many that fail to accomplish this this and I often want to say "It needs some work, here and here..." but I hold back for fear of offending the individual(s). I think this forum should be a place for people to learn and to accept help and constructive criticism without taking offense (providing of course the comments are given in a polite and helpful manner).

This pattern would be much nicer as an overlay, segmentation, intarsia kind of project.

Again guys, these are just my views on the subject and I hope I have not offended anyone.

I anxiously await your retort on the "mental facility" comment Toni.

DukeNukem · 03-30-2007, 04:15 PM

Ok everyone the reason why I am cutting this project is #1 I wanted to see what it would look like on wood #2 I love the amount of work that it is going to take to get it done I am not offended by anything anyone has to say. I am inspired by JZ's patterns and wanted to do an intrakit pattern myself I have shown him this one and he says it looks great. trust me I welcome any comments and again take no offense at all some people just don't see in scrolling a pattern like this the potential that I do. Just take a look at the big JZ cheetah I did and you'll understand ,That pattern was one of my first fret works and I fell in love with the fact that something with that many holes could turn into something so beautiful. Besides I just love to make dust fly no offense intended and none taken.I still have alot of work to do so I will not put another pic up until it is done.Jerry

bearfretworks · 03-30-2007, 05:23 PM

Well I will be bummed having to wait until it is finished to see what it looks like.......... There was a different thread about the original picture used for this pattern design where I and others shared ideas and thoughts on how/what style to cut it.

DukeNukem decided to give it a go as fretwork and I applaud him for it. I appreciate and enjoy the daily progress pictures and exchange of support/teasing.

Would I cut it? No way. I prefer patterns with fewer holes. Jediscroller's Clipper ship I recently cut and posted pushed me to the edge with the detail and amount of cuts....and it only numbered in the few hundreds. However, by doing it it made me a BETTER scroller.

Do I admire anyone who attempts a project such as this? Immensely. Pushing ourselves outside of our comfort zone is how we grow in all facets of our life.

Thanks for letting me ramble and good luck Jerry - can't wait to see it completed.

Jediscroller · 03-30-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Toni Burghout

What makes someone want to cut something like this? It may be a perspective thing, but I look at it and see a lot of "noise" to the pattern. Why do some want to make "cuts" that are as small as a drill bit? Is it just to say there are XXX, XXX, XXX cuts in the project?

Is the image visible when it is cut because I have a hard time visualizing something like this when it is a pattern.

Take care
Toni

Without speaking to this specific pattern I'll try to answer your questions as they relate to me. I tend to cut (and design for that matter) patterns that some would call insane. As to why, I don't add cuts for cuts' sake but also do not remove them for fear of having too many cuts. My goal in the end whether cutting or designing is as accurate a representation of the subject as I can achieve without regard to the number of cuts. I have a few that I had to put on the back burner right now (due to my battle with pneumonia) that have literally thousands of holes to be cut. Is it because I wanted a pattern with thousands of holes? Not really, though I do find these far more enjoyable than something I can knock out in an hour or 2. One thing that makes designing patterns like this type challenging is that while it's easy to have a pattern with a gazillion cuts it's a whole other challenge to have all the cuts that are necessary while joining/removing those that aren't. A few folks out there have really mastered this and they are who I hope to emulate as my patterns continue to mature.
I think it's a matter of the sense of accomplishment that accompanies finishing a piece like this and if done well the tremendous realism that can be achieved that draws certain people to these types of patterns/cuttings. Some folks prefer more abstract type subjects while others prefer intarsia while still others prefer segmentation, etc. This is what makes this hobby so great, there's something for everyone.

Jerry, I too hope you'll keep posting progress pics!